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	<title>Comments on: Breaking the Chains: Dispelling the Myth of Consistency at the Big Coffee Chains</title>
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		<title>By: Enrico</title>
		<link>http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2009/08/chain-coffee-consistency-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What makes people seek out mass-produced mediocrity over independent, higher quality options just as conveniently nearby?&quot;

Well, in case of the Utrecht opening, maybe the coffee tradition/culture locally is different.

In my country (Indonesia), the prevailing so-called &quot;coffee culture&quot; are usually traditional and more grass-root based. For example in the northern most province in the Island of Sumatra, the Aceh province, the coffee tradition there is to get outside the house 11PM in the night to the nearest &quot;warung kopi&quot; (coffee street-hawker). There they would start chatting and socializing with lotsa people into the morning.

Well, no cafe included. Starbucks in Indonesia are mainly patronized by middle-to-upper class society who can afford a $2-4 glass of coffee. That&#039;s a lot for a country where the same class/strata can eat a decent meal for their standard for less than $4, drink included. So a coffee that costs the same as the meal? Well it&#039;s &quot;elite&quot;! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What makes people seek out mass-produced mediocrity over independent, higher quality options just as conveniently nearby?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, in case of the Utrecht opening, maybe the coffee tradition/culture locally is different.</p>
<p>In my country (Indonesia), the prevailing so-called &#8220;coffee culture&#8221; are usually traditional and more grass-root based. For example in the northern most province in the Island of Sumatra, the Aceh province, the coffee tradition there is to get outside the house 11PM in the night to the nearest &#8220;warung kopi&#8221; (coffee street-hawker). There they would start chatting and socializing with lotsa people into the morning.</p>
<p>Well, no cafe included. Starbucks in Indonesia are mainly patronized by middle-to-upper class society who can afford a $2-4 glass of coffee. That&#8217;s a lot for a country where the same class/strata can eat a decent meal for their standard for less than $4, drink included. So a coffee that costs the same as the meal? Well it&#8217;s &#8220;elite&#8221;! <img src='http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Starbucks worker, this sounds right:

&quot;This leaves equipment tuning, cleaning and maintenance as one of the biggest suspects for why Starbucks’ quality can be so erratic. You might also suspect the shelf-life, storage, and turnover of Starbucks’ coffee at each café as well.&quot;

The only time I saw people calibrating or getting inside the guts of the superautomatic espresso machines was when one of them broke.  There was a sticker saying that each shot should take a certain length (forget the exact number of seconds) but I can&#039;t remember that duration ever being checked.  Maybe the manager did it when I wasn&#039;t there but who knows.

We had high volume so you wouldn&#039;t think that beans would sit around for very long, but unfinished 5-pound bags of beans were stored in cabinets behind the bar overnight with no special airtight containers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Starbucks worker, this sounds right:</p>
<p>&#8220;This leaves equipment tuning, cleaning and maintenance as one of the biggest suspects for why Starbucks’ quality can be so erratic. You might also suspect the shelf-life, storage, and turnover of Starbucks’ coffee at each café as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only time I saw people calibrating or getting inside the guts of the superautomatic espresso machines was when one of them broke.  There was a sticker saying that each shot should take a certain length (forget the exact number of seconds) but I can&#8217;t remember that duration ever being checked.  Maybe the manager did it when I wasn&#8217;t there but who knows.</p>
<p>We had high volume so you wouldn&#8217;t think that beans would sit around for very long, but unfinished 5-pound bags of beans were stored in cabinets behind the bar overnight with no special airtight containers.</p>
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		<title>By: TheShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No question that Starbucks achieves consistency in their roasting and, perhaps more to the point, their bean sourcing. In fact, Starbucks bean sourcing consistency closes off any practical access to some of the best coffee bean growers in the world: namely, if a region cannot produce their coffee lots in a volume large enough to supply a blend sold at thousands of Starbucks cafés, Starbucks cannot carry them.

So if it&#039;s not bean supplies and roasting, what might be at the root of their inconsistency? You could point to the barista training, but their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.coffeeratings.com/machine-view.php?machineId=40&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Verismo&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2008/03/starbucks-buys-clover/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mastrena&lt;/a&gt; machines are designed to be push-buttoned and idiot-proof. Milk-frothing and syrup-pouring are some of the only variants they have that isn&#039;t machine-controlled, and our ratings are based on straight espresso shots.

This leaves equipment tuning, cleaning and maintenance as one of the biggest suspects for why Starbucks&#039; quality can be so erratic. You might also suspect the shelf-life, storage, and turnover of Starbucks&#039; coffee at each café as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question that Starbucks achieves consistency in their roasting and, perhaps more to the point, their bean sourcing. In fact, Starbucks bean sourcing consistency closes off any practical access to some of the best coffee bean growers in the world: namely, if a region cannot produce their coffee lots in a volume large enough to supply a blend sold at thousands of Starbucks cafés, Starbucks cannot carry them.</p>
<p>So if it&#8217;s not bean supplies and roasting, what might be at the root of their inconsistency? You could point to the barista training, but their <a href="http://www.coffeeratings.com/machine-view.php?machineId=40" rel="nofollow">Verismo</a> and <a href="http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2008/03/starbucks-buys-clover/" rel="nofollow">Mastrena</a> machines are designed to be push-buttoned and idiot-proof. Milk-frothing and syrup-pouring are some of the only variants they have that isn&#8217;t machine-controlled, and our ratings are based on straight espresso shots.</p>
<p>This leaves equipment tuning, cleaning and maintenance as one of the biggest suspects for why Starbucks&#8217; quality can be so erratic. You might also suspect the shelf-life, storage, and turnover of Starbucks&#8217; coffee at each café as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that Cindy and I were excited for this post, having spotted your reaction to our article. I have to say that even with my engineering background, your statistical approach is more or less sound and leaves me satisfied with your point. You leave me thinking about what causes the inconsistency, and I&#039;m tempted to blame the difference in training that a barista receives at a Starbucks versus an independent coffee shop. I&#039;m sure I don&#039;t need to tell you all of the factors I highly skilled barista takes into account when preparing an espresso, and I am fairly certain Starbucks does not provide that level of training, especially considering the super-automatic espresso machines they currently use. So, while I am convinced of your point, that Starbucks does not serve a consistent shot, I still have my suspicions that they roast with the intention of consistency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that Cindy and I were excited for this post, having spotted your reaction to our article. I have to say that even with my engineering background, your statistical approach is more or less sound and leaves me satisfied with your point. You leave me thinking about what causes the inconsistency, and I&#8217;m tempted to blame the difference in training that a barista receives at a Starbucks versus an independent coffee shop. I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t need to tell you all of the factors I highly skilled barista takes into account when preparing an espresso, and I am fairly certain Starbucks does not provide that level of training, especially considering the super-automatic espresso machines they currently use. So, while I am convinced of your point, that Starbucks does not serve a consistent shot, I still have my suspicions that they roast with the intention of consistency.</p>
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		<title>By: TheShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, numerodix -- particularly as our cited intrepid &quot;reporter&quot; from our European desk in Utrecht. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, numerodix &#8212; particularly as our cited intrepid &#8220;reporter&#8221; from our European desk in Utrecht. <img src='http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: numerodix</title>
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		<dc:creator>numerodix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your mathematical rigor applied to coffee is impressive. And satisfying precisely because it captures the point where I remember enough statistics to follow it but without leaving me behind :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mathematical rigor applied to coffee is impressive. And satisfying precisely because it captures the point where I remember enough statistics to follow it but without leaving me behind <img src='http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great information.  There is definately a difference in espresso shots from one Starbuck&#039;s to the next.  I think, even with all their training and standardization, the technicians are still human and still have their own preferences.  The major differences in taste are likely due to this fact as well as the flavor and quality of water going into the final product.

Thanks for sharing this data.

-Tommy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great information.  There is definately a difference in espresso shots from one Starbuck&#8217;s to the next.  I think, even with all their training and standardization, the technicians are still human and still have their own preferences.  The major differences in taste are likely due to this fact as well as the flavor and quality of water going into the final product.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this data.</p>
<p>-Tommy</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Cho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Cho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Myth of Consistency.&quot;  Enjoyed the insights.

I paused at the first paragraph, hung up on the third sentence.  A McDonalds french fry is a McDonalds french fry... that&#039;s true.  It&#039;s easy to shut off your brain and just assume that it&#039;s the same every time.

But when I stop to really think about it, sometimes my french fries at McDonalds are disappointing.  Sometimes they&#039;re over-salted.  Sometimes they&#039;re clearly not just out of the fryer, and they&#039;re limp and a little soggy.  Sometimes they&#039;re TOO hot, and I stop myself from popping it in my mouth immediately, lest I burn my mouth.  Sometimes they&#039;re not quite cooked as thoroughly as I tend to expect them.  I know that others can relate.

People usually say, of big chains, &quot;You know what to expect.&quot;  What you don&#039;t necessarily know is exactly what you&#039;re actually gonna get.  It&#039;s the expectations that have been homogenized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Myth of Consistency.&#8221;  Enjoyed the insights.</p>
<p>I paused at the first paragraph, hung up on the third sentence.  A McDonalds french fry is a McDonalds french fry&#8230; that&#8217;s true.  It&#8217;s easy to shut off your brain and just assume that it&#8217;s the same every time.</p>
<p>But when I stop to really think about it, sometimes my french fries at McDonalds are disappointing.  Sometimes they&#8217;re over-salted.  Sometimes they&#8217;re clearly not just out of the fryer, and they&#8217;re limp and a little soggy.  Sometimes they&#8217;re TOO hot, and I stop myself from popping it in my mouth immediately, lest I burn my mouth.  Sometimes they&#8217;re not quite cooked as thoroughly as I tend to expect them.  I know that others can relate.</p>
<p>People usually say, of big chains, &#8220;You know what to expect.&#8221;  What you don&#8217;t necessarily know is exactly what you&#8217;re actually gonna get.  It&#8217;s the expectations that have been homogenized.</p>
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		<title>By: Chain Coffeeshops Offer Consistency&#8230; Right? &#171; Zocalo Coffeehouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chain Coffeeshops Offer Consistency&#8230; Right? &#171; Zocalo Coffeehouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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