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	<title>Comments on: Think you&#8217;re saving a small fortune making coffee at home? Do the math.</title>
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		<title>By: TheShot</title>
		<link>http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2008/08/home-coffee-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-4338</link>
		<dc:creator>TheShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, 5.JM. While I understand your points, I don't agree with them at all for the same reason I don't churn my own butter to save a few bucks. "Free time" is a myth.

Not to mention that I don't buy into the deconstructed, non-integrated, superpositional microeconomic thinking upon which these hypothetical debates rest. If you applied the same principles to weight loss in isolation, they would suggest that we should be a nation of emaciated supermodels instead of tragically obese ever since the public wholly embraced diet soft drinks 20 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, 5.JM. While I understand your points, I don&#8217;t agree with them at all for the same reason I don&#8217;t churn my own butter to save a few bucks. &#8220;Free time&#8221; is a myth.</p>
<p>Not to mention that I don&#8217;t buy into the deconstructed, non-integrated, superpositional microeconomic thinking upon which these hypothetical debates rest. If you applied the same principles to weight loss in isolation, they would suggest that we should be a nation of emaciated supermodels instead of tragically obese ever since the public wholly embraced diet soft drinks 20 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: JM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just came up on this website and came up on this post. I'm a coffee lover and really into personal finance.I agree that we need to consider personal enjoyment and convenience as part of the coffee experience and it's hard to judge that against dollar and cents. 

However, from a personal finance point of view, that "small pleasures" costs can add up, especially for those who can rationalize the cost and want things now and are unable to save long-term. Also, who has coffee 3 times a week? It's more like 3 times a day! 

Plus, you should consider that the $600 is money spend after taxes. You'd need to work say $850 unless you could somehow write those off as business expenses.

You should also not consider factoring your working hourly wage when making it at home unless you would have used that time to be working and making money as opportunity costs. Chances are at home, you'd be reading a newspaper or checking your email. Might as well take some personal enjoyment in making your own espresso ... perhaps by saving that $400 (more if saved  in a tax deductible investment) a person could open their own small cafe when they are financially free to do anything they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came up on this website and came up on this post. I&#8217;m a coffee lover and really into personal finance.I agree that we need to consider personal enjoyment and convenience as part of the coffee experience and it&#8217;s hard to judge that against dollar and cents. </p>
<p>However, from a personal finance point of view, that &#8220;small pleasures&#8221; costs can add up, especially for those who can rationalize the cost and want things now and are unable to save long-term. Also, who has coffee 3 times a week? It&#8217;s more like 3 times a day! </p>
<p>Plus, you should consider that the $600 is money spend after taxes. You&#8217;d need to work say $850 unless you could somehow write those off as business expenses.</p>
<p>You should also not consider factoring your working hourly wage when making it at home unless you would have used that time to be working and making money as opportunity costs. Chances are at home, you&#8217;d be reading a newspaper or checking your email. Might as well take some personal enjoyment in making your own espresso &#8230; perhaps by saving that $400 (more if saved  in a tax deductible investment) a person could open their own small cafe when they are financially free to do anything they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Skip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point you recommended thinking about this in an email to me and it was 100% right.  Small World espresso isn't perfect, but it costs less than $2 and I don't have to do any cleanup.  I can also french press good beans at home in under 10 minutes and without the four-figure investment in a grinder and espresso machine that wouldn't fit on my counter.

That said, if I had a couple K floating around, I'd probably go for a home setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some point you recommended thinking about this in an email to me and it was 100% right.  Small World espresso isn&#8217;t perfect, but it costs less than $2 and I don&#8217;t have to do any cleanup.  I can also french press good beans at home in under 10 minutes and without the four-figure investment in a grinder and espresso machine that wouldn&#8217;t fit on my counter.</p>
<p>That said, if I had a couple K floating around, I&#8217;d probably go for a home setup.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my wayward youth I was a manager for Starbucks Coffee Co.  Over my tenure I sold thousands of dollars worth of at-home brewing and espresso gear.  The novelty of at-home coffee and espresso wore off within months (if not weeks) and time after time those customers were back in our line... every morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my wayward youth I was a manager for Starbucks Coffee Co.  Over my tenure I sold thousands of dollars worth of at-home brewing and espresso gear.  The novelty of at-home coffee and espresso wore off within months (if not weeks) and time after time those customers were back in our line&#8230; every morning.</p>
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		<title>By: TheShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people devalue their own time at a ridiculous level. I know people who have struggled for two hours getting their oil filter off, their oil pan drained, and replacing it all just to save the $10 (once you subtract the cost of replacement parts) versus having their oil changed down the street.

When you spend $4 on a bucket of Starbucks' pumpkin-pie-flavored Cool Whip, you're mostly spending money to cover Starbucks' labor costs. People whine and lament that Starbucks is ripping people off because you can get a cup of coffee for a mere $1 down at the diner -- but the diner need only have an untrained monkey take 3 seconds to dump a Bunn warmer coffee pot into a styrofoam cup: there's no timing for an espresso shot, no preparation of milk frothing, no pumpkin pie and Cool Whip mashing. The big difference is labor, but nobody seems to recognize that. All coffee is just "coffee", right? Wrong.

You're fooling yourself if you think your time is free and therefore worthless. Any 15 minutes you spend making your own bucket of pumpkin-pie-flavored Cool Whip is 15 minutes you're not answering customer service calls working for The Man, 15 minutes you're not making millions off online stock trades, or 15 minutes you're not writing that hockey-stick growth business plan for your new start-up. &lt;strong&gt;The economics of making coffee at home versus having it out is a primarily question of labor costs, not materials.&lt;/strong&gt; Analyzing it any other way is a false premise.

For the people who drive special to get coffee, it's not like they were probably going to play shut-in for the day. Or that their steady home supply of coffee, milk, pumpkin pie flavoring, and Cool Whip comes out of the tap. Of course, where I work, a Peet's is just down the stairs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people devalue their own time at a ridiculous level. I know people who have struggled for two hours getting their oil filter off, their oil pan drained, and replacing it all just to save the $10 (once you subtract the cost of replacement parts) versus having their oil changed down the street.</p>
<p>When you spend $4 on a bucket of Starbucks&#8217; pumpkin-pie-flavored Cool Whip, you&#8217;re mostly spending money to cover Starbucks&#8217; labor costs. People whine and lament that Starbucks is ripping people off because you can get a cup of coffee for a mere $1 down at the diner &#8212; but the diner need only have an untrained monkey take 3 seconds to dump a Bunn warmer coffee pot into a styrofoam cup: there&#8217;s no timing for an espresso shot, no preparation of milk frothing, no pumpkin pie and Cool Whip mashing. The big difference is labor, but nobody seems to recognize that. All coffee is just &#8220;coffee&#8221;, right? Wrong.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re fooling yourself if you think your time is free and therefore worthless. Any 15 minutes you spend making your own bucket of pumpkin-pie-flavored Cool Whip is 15 minutes you&#8217;re not answering customer service calls working for The Man, 15 minutes you&#8217;re not making millions off online stock trades, or 15 minutes you&#8217;re not writing that hockey-stick growth business plan for your new start-up. <strong>The economics of making coffee at home versus having it out is a primarily question of labor costs, not materials.</strong> Analyzing it any other way is a false premise.</p>
<p>For the people who drive special to get coffee, it&#8217;s not like they were probably going to play shut-in for the day. Or that their steady home supply of coffee, milk, pumpkin pie flavoring, and Cool Whip comes out of the tap. Of course, where I work, a Peet&#8217;s is just down the stairs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Including labor costs is just silly. Most people can't simply choose to do slightly more work to pay for coffee in the way that they can choose to make coffee every morning. However, even if they could this wouldn't be a legitimate argument since for many people it will take them the same 15 minutes to go to Starbucks and get coffee. Perhaps you should also add that $240 to the $600 figure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Including labor costs is just silly. Most people can&#8217;t simply choose to do slightly more work to pay for coffee in the way that they can choose to make coffee every morning. However, even if they could this wouldn&#8217;t be a legitimate argument since for many people it will take them the same 15 minutes to go to Starbucks and get coffee. Perhaps you should also add that $240 to the $600 figure?</p>
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