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	<title>Comments on: I Hate New York (coffee): Brew ha ha in city that falls short on espresso</title>
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		<title>By: Rowan Tuckfield</title>
		<link>http://theshot.coffeeratings.com/2007/09/bad-new-york-coffee/#comment-3201</link>
		<dc:creator>Rowan Tuckfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came and fell in love with NYC only four years ago and, like so many, was at a loss to explain the general state of espresso here given the city's long and rich Italian heritage, it's truly multicultural nature, celebration of excellence and it's proximity to the/some of the largest coffee harvests in the world.

My current hypothesis is based on a combination of timing and government policy...

The first major wave of Italian migration to New York was at the turn of the 19th century and, one might take the view that, the US government has historically encouraged assimilation as opposed to a more formal policy of multiculturalism seen in some other high migrant destination countries. 

Now. Mr Gaggia didn't invent espresso machine technology until 1946 (Him and others). The first wave of Italian migrants to New York didn't have espresso technology culture to bring with them. Those who arrived in the post war wave of migrants from Europe were confronted with a pre-existing, instant coffee based, coffee culture. An American coffee culture to be embraced at the expense of the new espresso culture?

Post war Italian migrants landing in countries whose cultures were not as influential, hung onto, nourished and ultimately shared the new espresso technology/art with the locals, when they were ready for it.

It's an hypothesis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came and fell in love with NYC only four years ago and, like so many, was at a loss to explain the general state of espresso here given the city&#8217;s long and rich Italian heritage, it&#8217;s truly multicultural nature, celebration of excellence and it&#8217;s proximity to the/some of the largest coffee harvests in the world.</p>
<p>My current hypothesis is based on a combination of timing and government policy&#8230;</p>
<p>The first major wave of Italian migration to New York was at the turn of the 19th century and, one might take the view that, the US government has historically encouraged assimilation as opposed to a more formal policy of multiculturalism seen in some other high migrant destination countries. </p>
<p>Now. Mr Gaggia didn&#8217;t invent espresso machine technology until 1946 (Him and others). The first wave of Italian migrants to New York didn&#8217;t have espresso technology culture to bring with them. Those who arrived in the post war wave of migrants from Europe were confronted with a pre-existing, instant coffee based, coffee culture. An American coffee culture to be embraced at the expense of the new espresso culture?</p>
<p>Post war Italian migrants landing in countries whose cultures were not as influential, hung onto, nourished and ultimately shared the new espresso technology/art with the locals, when they were ready for it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an hypothesis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those three definitely belong to the few exceptions to which I was referring. And it's true that Seattle, for example, profits from a stellar reputation for coffee -- yet past a select handful of notable exceptions, the quality baseline in Seattle is generally rather poor.

But for a city the size, population (Italian immigrants included, vis-Ã -vis Australia), and availability of high-end quality standards of New York, it is unquestionably a national laggard with regards to general coffee quality and the number of exceptional options in town (and we're not even talking "per capita" either).

Not to mention that only a few years ago, NYC's finest was cited as including the likes of Higher Grounds in the East Village, Cafe Edison, Espresso Madison, Via Quadronno, Tarallucci e Vino, Terramare Cafe, and even Burektorja Dukagjini in the Bronx. That was the best it ever got -- and some of them are long gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those three definitely belong to the few exceptions to which I was referring. And it&#8217;s true that Seattle, for example, profits from a stellar reputation for coffee &#8212; yet past a select handful of notable exceptions, the quality baseline in Seattle is generally rather poor.</p>
<p>But for a city the size, population (Italian immigrants included, vis-Ã -vis Australia), and availability of high-end quality standards of New York, it is unquestionably a national laggard with regards to general coffee quality and the number of exceptional options in town (and we&#8217;re not even talking &#8220;per capita&#8221; either).</p>
<p>Not to mention that only a few years ago, NYC&#8217;s finest was cited as including the likes of Higher Grounds in the East Village, Cafe Edison, Espresso Madison, Via Quadronno, Tarallucci e Vino, Terramare Cafe, and even Burektorja Dukagjini in the Bronx. That was the best it ever got &#8212; and some of them are long gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Styles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Styles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While as a whole, NYC might be an 'espresso wasteland', there a nuggets of pure delight to be found in this city. I've travelled back there several times, both from Melbourne AU and London simply to taste and learn some of the things that NYC has to offer.

Ninth St Espresso would have to be one of the finest espresso experiences of my life, and never disappointed with it's offerings. Gimme, Joe, and Grumpy all produce truly excellent drinks, also, and certainly leave a city like London a long, long way behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While as a whole, NYC might be an &#8216;espresso wasteland&#8217;, there a nuggets of pure delight to be found in this city. I&#8217;ve travelled back there several times, both from Melbourne AU and London simply to taste and learn some of the things that NYC has to offer.</p>
<p>Ninth St Espresso would have to be one of the finest espresso experiences of my life, and never disappointed with it&#8217;s offerings. Gimme, Joe, and Grumpy all produce truly excellent drinks, also, and certainly leave a city like London a long, long way behind.</p>
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